Topic started by Reverend_Jon 2008-11-05 06:35:56 pm


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Dude..youd never hear Bush or McCain say anything about dreads. They would be like 'uh, what is that with your hair? you need a shower'.


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DJPsychoFreud wrote:

Why is it that some americans are so afraid of the word socialism?

To expand on Arch's good response a bit..... to Americans, socialism means Russia. Russia was our enemy for a long time. The negatives of Russian socialism were pounded into our heads... waiting in line all day for bread, a few untouchable elite ruling over the other 99% of the population who were peasants, etc...


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-DjZ- wrote:

Come back and talk to me in four years after your leader proves himself to be an absolute jerkoff.  Just like you.

DjZ is this really how you feel?

and pretty much if this is you.. this statement..
don't talk to me plain and simple... you must be a complete idiot.. not someone i want as a freind on my space, ragga-jungle.com.. not someone i want playing my tunes... the whole nine yards man..

it's like that

Say what you will.  I was venting yesterday.  I found its pointless to try to be a rational conservative on this site.  Im surrounded by democlats! 
Nonetheless I just have a lil disrespect for a certain someone on here.  Dont mind me.  wink

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Carbine's a registered republican./  I think he voted for Bob Barr though.


-DjZ-
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thats shocking.  Im not alone.

Back to the blame thing.....

I blame Obama for winning.  I lost 20 bucks.  What an ass.


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markh wrote:
DJPsychoFreud wrote:

Why is it that some americans are so afraid of the word socialism?

To expand on Arch's good response a bit..... to Americans, socialism means Russia. Russia was our enemy for a long time. The negatives of Russian socialism were pounded into our heads... waiting in line all day for bread, a few untouchable elite ruling over the other 99% of the population who were peasants, etc...

 

So, what are you saying exactally?  Socialism isnt a bad thing?

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mwahhahaahha betting on elections...no beuno.


-DjZ-
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no shit,  i also lost on the Redskins game.  sad 
I thought surely they would win, giving McCain the upper hand.  BOY WAS I AN ASS!!


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-DjZ- wrote:
markh wrote:
DJPsychoFreud wrote:

Why is it that some americans are so afraid of the word socialism?

To expand on Arch's good response a bit..... to Americans, socialism means Russia. Russia was our enemy for a long time. The negatives of Russian socialism were pounded into our heads... waiting in line all day for bread, a few untouchable elite ruling over the other 99% of the population who were peasants, etc...

 
So, what are you saying exactally?  Socialism isnt a bad thing?

It's not an inherently bad thing, no.  Humans, on the other hand, are fearful, power hungry, xenophobic monsters that will use any system of government to control and manipulate the population for their own selfish gains.  No matter how good a system may look on paper, in practice, there are always flaws, especially in the case of Soviet Communism, which was a far cry from Marxism, and evolved into nothing short of a military dictatorship.  Sure, capitalism in its purest form may stoke the fires of invention, but the system that we have now is not pure capitalism.  It is, in my opinion, a financial dictatorship (Consumerist fascism?) that looks out for the best interests of the upper echelon of capitalists (People with capital), while giving very little regard for the workers (People without capital, other than their sweat, which is usually easily replaceable by cheap labor from someone that needs the job enough to take it at lower pay).  I hate to sound like a pinko bastard (lol), but the blood of the workers is oiling the machinery of the system, and the elite are lazily reaping the benefits.  In a communist military dictatorship, if you don't do what you're told, you get killed.  In our present fiscal dictatorship, if you don't do what you're told, you live on the streets and eventually starve (In theory).

Funnily enough, what we are leaning towards right now is more reminiscent of socialism than anything that Obama has suggested, even in passing.  His lept upon phrase about "spreading the wealth around" was meant to describe "trickle up" economics, where the lower classes pay less taxes, stimulating the economy (In theory...  We'll see.).  On the other hand, the bailout package that the GOP pushed so damn hard is pure socialism, nationalizing the financial system.  They didn't want it because they're socialists, though.  They did it for their own greedy thirst for money and power (Not to say that the GOP alone is guilty of this, of course.  All politicians, with very few exceptions, are snakes, or eventually will be once they smell the potential gains).  They turned our financial system into socialism because they are pure capitalists.  ...Hence why we need heavy regulation, to stifle the bloodthirst of both Wall Street and their government henchmen.


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^^^ again expanding (condensing?) on Arch's excellent post...

Socialism is not inherently bad. The problem is humans aren't wired for it, especially Americans.

One of the good things about capitialism is that you can make your own future. You have some say in how much money you are going to make, i.e. how hard are you going to work for it. Humans are wired this way.

the_Archangel wrote:

Humans, on the other hand, are fearful, power hungry, xenophobic monsters that will use any system of government to control and manipulate the population for their own selfish gains.

also...  R E L I G I O N  !!!!!

Reverend_Jon
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Has anyone watched the Zeitgeist addendum?


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any form of socialism to me = LAZY
Like we need to be any more fucking lazy.  I work my red ass off every day to barely scrape by, as i am sure most of you do.  The only difference with me, and dont take this the wrong way, is I dont ever ask for any help.  It seems that democratic policy has succumbed to giving too damn many handouts. i.e.  Foodstamps, wellfare, Nationalized healthcare. etc. 
Im not down with that.


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markh wrote:

One of the good things about capitialism is that you can make your own future. You have some say in how much money you are going to make, i.e. how hard are you going to work for it. Humans are wired this way.



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this we can agree on.

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-DjZ- wrote:

It seems that democratic policy has succumbed to giving too damn many handouts. i.e.  Foodstamps, wellfare, Nationalized healthcare. etc. 
Im not down with that.

You must be EXTREMELY pissed at republican policy then, they just gave out 1 TRILLION dollars in handouts in the last month alone.


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markh wrote:
-DjZ- wrote:

It seems that democratic policy has succumbed to giving too damn many handouts. i.e.  Foodstamps, wellfare, Nationalized healthcare. etc. 
Im not down with that.

You must be EXTREMELY pissed at republican policy then, they just gave out 1 TRILLION dollars in handouts in the last month alone.


really Blue douchleader?  really?  where did you get that info?


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yeah retard, really.

Bear Stearns: $30 billion
Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac: $200 billion
A.I.G.: $122.8 billion
Auto Industry: $25 billion
Troubled Asset Relief Program: $700 billion


-DjZ-
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who runs the majority of the house then?   
BTW- I'll let you know when I have time to wase by coming up to Minn. little man.

Reverend_Jon
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markh wrote:

yeah retard, really.


HEY, HEY, HEY NOW!!! Some of my best friends are retards.


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-DjZ- wrote:

who runs the majority of the house then?

lol... back to your fantasy world.


... and Rev, sorry I demeaned retards.


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-DjZ- wrote:

who runs the majority of the house then?   
BTW- I'll let you know when I have time to wase by coming up to Minn. little man.

Paulson, Bush, and Cheney engineered the bailout.  The houses sold out just like the banks and the bankers.

Repubilcan, democrat...  It makes no difference.  Don't try to say that you're on the side of the good guys just because the other side is full of bad guys.  Both sides of that fence are as backwards and power mad as the other.

Why do you want to blame a party so badly?  Why do you need that?  Can you not accept that politicians in general are the problem?  Do you need an "other" to blame?  Do you associate your ideologies and belief with the GOP so closely that whenever someone says something positive about a democrat (or votes one into an office) that you take it personally?  If someone says that GWB is a megalomaniacal monster that is controlled by an even more megalomaniacal monster in Cheney, who is controlled my megalithic corporations bent on doing nothing other than bleeding you and the rest of the world dry and then getting away with it by pandering to your most basic urges to have an "old fashioned," freedoms loving, white, non-dirty-foreigner, Christian world that has been totally homogenized to the point of the lifelessness of Lawrence Welk honkeyjazz, does that offend you personally?  Even though someone is calling them the bad guy, and not you?  Does it offend you because you truly believe that your spiritual leaders (in a political sense) are one and the same as your sense of self worth?  Can you not recognize that you are an individual, and that maybe, just maybe, these fallable people that may or may not have been elected into office have ulterior motives that may not be in the best interests of the world around you?

Man...  I think that I was saying all that to my Dad, and not you.  LMAO.  tongue

markh wrote:

^^^ again expanding (condensing?) on Arch's excellent post...

Socialism is not inherently bad. The problem is humans aren't wired for it, especially Americans.

One of the good things about capitialism is that you can make your own future. You have some say in how much money you are going to make, i.e. how hard are you going to work for it. Humans are wired this way.

the_Archangel wrote:

Humans, on the other hand, are fearful, power hungry, xenophobic monsters that will use any system of government to control and manipulate the population for their own selfish gains.

also...  R E L I G I O N  !!!!!

Religion is great on paper.  wink


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i'm glad relgion and spirituality are/or have at least become 2 different things. smile

on another note i saw some cracked out video of some woman speaking in tongues telling children to pray up a cardboard cutout of gwb just yesterday.. and they did.

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impossible, deadman.  speaking in tongues is not real.  wink


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markh wrote:
DJPsychoFreud wrote:

Why is it that some americans are so afraid of the word socialism?

To expand on Arch's good response a bit..... to Americans, socialism means Russia. Russia was our enemy for a long time. The negatives of Russian socialism were pounded into our heads... waiting in line all day for bread, a few untouchable elite ruling over the other 99% of the population who were peasants, etc...

if i am not wrong, Russia was comunism govern, not socialism...